1 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,120 No comment. 2 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:16,360 Oh, Dr Fallon... I hate all this. 3 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:19,720 This little dance of ours. I do. 4 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,800 Us trying to get you to accidentally admit to something, 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,080 not because we know you'll eventually feel much better 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,160 for having finally gotten it off your chest... 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,560 though, of course you will... 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,200 but because it's all so predictable. 9 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,080 We know what we're doing, she knows what she's doing, 10 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:40,640 and you're doing what she's telling you to do. 11 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,560 But when a 14-year-old girl is found dead in the woods with no knickers, 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:50,720 and her shattered skull held in place with a bag-for-life, 13 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,600 then you can appreciate why we have to be so forensic. 14 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,480 Hence why you've been sat here, gone... 15 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,320 oh, almost 23 hours, now. 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,720 Not just your future that depends on the outcome of our conversation. 17 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:17,840 You can understand all that, can't you, Doctor? 18 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:20,480 No comment. 19 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,160 Why'd you take her knickers off? 20 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:34,200 - If she was your daughter? - Stepdaughter. 21 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:35,880 Stepdaughter, sorry. 22 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:37,760 Not a blood relative. 23 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:43,800 You can still answer the question. 24 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,480 No, no. Question withdrawn. 25 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,960 Do you think Nicky thought you preferred your other children to her? 26 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,120 No comment. 27 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,160 It's only natural, isn't it? To love them a bit more, your real kids? 28 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:04,600 No comment. 29 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,040 Your actual kids. 30 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,640 No comment. 31 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:11,120 Tea? 32 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,200 When you took Nicky to these events up and down the country, 33 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,080 these, erm, netball tournaments... 34 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:24,800 did you argue? 35 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:26,280 Did you have arguments? 36 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:27,760 No comment. 37 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,880 Only that's what your wife says, or implies. 38 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,120 - She didn't tell you I was coming? - "He'd have resented driving." 39 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,680 This is from her statement. 40 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:38,360 "After a stressful week of work, 41 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,760 those long trips on the motorway for netball would have shortened his fuse... 42 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:45,440 his already-short fuse." 43 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,000 Then, "Nicky was always late getting ready. 44 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:54,200 He was tired, got cross... cross about that, I know he did." 45 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:56,440 Do you lose your temper when you're tired? 46 00:02:57,640 --> 00:02:58,360 No comment. 47 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,120 But you do lose your temper? 48 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,440 - No comment. - No comments all the way? 49 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:05,560 What's your feeling? 50 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,200 That he did it? 51 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,080 Tony's doing the Bic-trick. 52 00:03:12,920 --> 00:03:16,600 The innocent tend to jump, shout, protest... 53 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:20,520 - Not always, but carry on. - Well, they're more active. 54 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,440 They grab, point, fidget and what-have-you. 55 00:03:23,920 --> 00:03:25,640 The biro on the table, 56 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:29,840 it's been sat there for two hours and Fallon hasn't touched it once. 57 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,800 Do they not try things like that in West Midlands Police, then? 58 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,400 Well, they're old fashioned, aren't they? 59 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:38,760 They tend to want evidence. 60 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,840 At seven of the eight hotels you and Nicky stayed at during the tour, 61 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,160 a twin room costs the same as a double, 62 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:49,760 yet at all eight, you chose a double. 63 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:51,320 Why? 64 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:52,960 No comment. 65 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,960 In October alone, you were away for 11 nights. 66 00:03:57,680 --> 00:03:59,280 Virtually living together. 67 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:02,400 Had to come to an end eventually, though, didn't it? Only so much... 68 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:04,760 netball a girl can play. 69 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,160 Real world came calling. 70 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,360 - Is that why you killed her? - No comment. 71 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:15,800 Back in the real world you couldn't live with her? 72 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:19,240 - No comment. - And you couldn't live with yourself. 73 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:22,080 No comment. 74 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,440 - How long left? - I remind you that "no comment"... 75 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:32,160 - Less than two hours. - ...is not a legally neutral response. 76 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:33,920 It's going to be tight. 77 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:36,760 - You do understand that? - No comment. 78 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:39,480 It's going to be fucking tight. 79 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,320 And he came bearing gifts. 80 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,120 It won't be news to you that he's back, though, will it? 81 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,000 Because you'd have had to OK it. 82 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:04,960 He asked what kind of pressure you've been under. 83 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,280 And I asked him if he'd seen any of the papers this entire week, 84 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,840 as in, "How could anyone miss them?" and when he said he hadn't, I said, 85 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,680 "Put it this way: she's given up giving up smoking, 86 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,480 if that's any kind of clue." 87 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,040 Tell you what, though, a year working in Birmingham, 88 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,680 you'd expect him to come back dressed like it's 1993, 89 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,800 but he's not looking bad, you've got to give him that. 90 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,080 And you're telling me this because... 91 00:05:28,280 --> 00:05:31,320 Don't worry, we all know that you were never officially an item. 92 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:34,800 But then again, we also know that it's before you're officially an item 93 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,960 that you have all the best sex. 94 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:41,600 "It's before you're officially an item that you have all the best sex, ma'am." 95 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:45,600 Yes, ma'am. 96 00:05:46,600 --> 00:05:47,960 He's back on merit. 97 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:51,240 Yes, ma'am. 98 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,360 Yes, ma'am. 99 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,040 It's a difficult question, Doctor, I appreciate that, 100 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:08,280 so why don't we move on, OK? 101 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:09,200 OK. 102 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,200 The postmortem, done by our pathologist, 103 00:06:12,400 --> 00:06:14,960 a highly respected member of the medical profession, 104 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:17,680 much like yourself, states... 105 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:21,360 and honest to goodness, Doctor, it gives me no pleasure... 106 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:25,960 states categorically that your stepdaughter was not a virgin 107 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:28,480 at the time of her death. 108 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:32,480 Did Nicky have a boyfriend, Dr Fallon? 109 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:34,440 No comment. 110 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,760 Tricky to know what the word "boyfriend" means at that age, isn't it? 111 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:40,120 At 14. 112 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,920 And maybe not the kind of thing she'd share with you... 113 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,840 more something to share with Mum. 114 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:49,840 Which makes this interesting reading, 115 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,240 and not for the first time. 116 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:59,400 "Did Nicky, in any sense of the word, ever, at any time, have a boyfriend?" 117 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,560 That was my question, made the day after we received the postmortem. 118 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,520 Your wife's response, and... 119 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:08,760 I'll read it unabridged. 120 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:11,360 "No." 121 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,640 All of which left me very confused. 122 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,280 At all eight hotels, you chose a double bed over two singles. 123 00:07:24,640 --> 00:07:26,120 Every time. 124 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,320 Dr Fallon, at the time of her murder, 125 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:35,600 were you conducting a sexual relationship with your 14-year-old stepdaughter? 126 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:49,520 No comment. 127 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:52,440 A bit louder, for the tape. 128 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,160 My client is upset, Detective Inspector. 129 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,960 I'd like to suggest we break there, at least for a couple of minutes. 130 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,640 Interview suspended at 17:47. 131 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,160 OK, if you're ready, Tony. 132 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,200 Yeah, thanks, Hugo. Let's continue. 133 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,040 Right... 134 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,320 I notice you picked up one of our pens. I'll ask for that back before you go. 135 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,680 Yep. OK. 136 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:55,040 Interview resumes at 5:53 p.m. Same persons present in the room. 137 00:08:55,240 --> 00:08:58,720 Dr Fallon, if you weren't having sex with your stepdaughter, who was? 138 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,720 - No comment. - Who might that have been? 139 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:01,640 No comment. 140 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,080 The pathologist doubts that it was a boy her own age. 141 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,040 More likely a fully-grown man... 142 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,120 or men. 143 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:14,320 No? 144 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:20,480 The report says that Nicky died on October 28th, a Sunday, 145 00:09:20,680 --> 00:09:24,440 the same day that you drove your flashy motor back from... 146 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,440 - Uh, Nottingham. - Nottingham. 147 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:31,000 This is you, leaving the underground car park in Long Eaton at 2:00 p.m. 148 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:33,560 That's what? Three-hour journey back down the M1? 149 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,320 - Yeah. - Quick stop at the services maybe? 150 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:37,840 Break the journey up. 151 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:41,480 Nearest services to where Nicky's body was found, incidentally. 152 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:43,000 No comment. 153 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,560 No need to say "no comment". I wasn't asking you a question, was I? 154 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:49,840 - No comment. - No. 155 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,040 Just a statement of fact. 156 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:57,640 On and through central London, call it four hours, and you're where? 157 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:00,960 Hammersmith roundabout? 158 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:05,240 Very close to where we're sitting now, in fact. 159 00:10:05,960 --> 00:10:07,640 But no. You're nowhere to be seen. 160 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,360 It's not until six and a half hours after leaving your hotel in Long Eaton 161 00:10:11,560 --> 00:10:12,760 that you finally return. 162 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:16,200 Roof down in this one. 163 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,520 Looking rather debonair, if you don't mind my saying so. 164 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:26,280 We couldn't help noticing, Nicky wasn't sitting in the car with you. 165 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:30,840 Not in any of the London shots. 166 00:10:35,560 --> 00:10:38,360 Why did it take you so long to get back, Dr Fallon? 167 00:10:38,560 --> 00:10:40,920 They're not going to get him. It's not happening. 168 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,680 - Yeah, and she knows it too, this one. - Yeah. 169 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,400 Just seems an awfully long time, six and a half hours. 170 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:48,720 - Paul? - Like I said earlier... 171 00:10:51,560 --> 00:10:54,200 - Who instead of? - Hugo. 172 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,040 Hugo's put in weeks on this. 173 00:10:57,680 --> 00:10:59,120 Pulling him out would ruin him. 174 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,960 If Hugo had anything half-decent in that file of his, 175 00:11:02,160 --> 00:11:03,760 he would have mentioned it hours ago. 176 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:04,800 The photo? 177 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:08,080 The photo shows the suspect not with the victim. 178 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:10,160 At best, it's irrelevant. 179 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,120 At worst... it's an alibi. 180 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:14,880 Yeah. You don't know the case. 181 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,040 The only one who can catch Fallon out now, is Fallon. 182 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,160 And to do that, he needs to start talking. 183 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:23,560 He's said nothing in, what, 22, 23 hours? 184 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,880 - That's not Hugo's fault. - Isn't it? 185 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,280 What else did you think he was doing here? 186 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,040 Tony leads. 187 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:41,000 Uh... he doesn't know that you're here, so, whatever happens, Tony still leads. 188 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:43,560 It's his show, alright? 189 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,800 ...in a hotel room, if that's what happened. 190 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,000 Tell us about the injury Nicky received to her wrist. 191 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,480 - No comment. - Sustained to her wrist. 192 00:11:55,680 --> 00:11:57,720 - Well, how did it happen? - No comment. 193 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:00,560 Meant she couldn't play netball, didn't it? 194 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:02,360 No comment. 195 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,080 Yet the team coach, he knew nothing about it. 196 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:09,440 "Fit as a fiddle, second highest scorer, ready and raring to go." 197 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:13,360 Her name was on the team-sheet the night before, yet, come match day... 198 00:12:13,560 --> 00:12:16,520 no Nicky, no Dr Fallon. 199 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,880 Now, you were, he said, 200 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:24,000 "people with manners." 201 00:12:24,960 --> 00:12:28,480 "I never had them down as the sorts to just do one like that. 202 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:30,920 It pissed me off, to be honest. 203 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:32,680 Especially when that woman at the hotel..." 204 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,280 He's referring to a Mrs Stewart, the owner. 205 00:12:35,480 --> 00:12:38,880 "...when that woman at the hotel told us they had broken a coffee table, 206 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:41,080 left without paying for it, 207 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,480 and I now owed her 60 quid." 208 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,520 Nicky injured her wrist on that coffee table in your room, didn't she? 209 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,080 Dr Fallon? 210 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:56,200 No comment. 211 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,720 For the record, Detective Constable Hugo Duffy has left the room. 212 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,840 Detective Constable Paul Ottager has entered. 213 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:32,640 Inspector. 214 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:38,200 Apologies. Detective Inspector Paul Ottager has entered. 215 00:13:38,680 --> 00:13:40,120 Actually, 216 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:45,280 if I remember rightly, Detective Ottager has a daughter himself. 217 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:48,280 Not too dissimilar in age, I think. 218 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,120 Twelve, 13? 219 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,120 A year or two younger than Nicky is. Was, anyway. 220 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:03,720 Come on, what is this? I want acknowledgment of this. 221 00:14:07,680 --> 00:14:09,760 For the record, Detective Inspector Ottager 222 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,080 is looking across the table at the suspect. 223 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:18,680 According to the pathologist, highly respected, 224 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:23,280 the force required to smash a skull into 17 pieces in this way 225 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:26,120 would have been around 200 pounds per square inch. 226 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,240 - Simpler terms. - Couldn't manage it with your hand. 227 00:14:29,440 --> 00:14:32,480 Could, say, with, I don't know, the back of a garden spade. 228 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:35,520 - It won't help, Detective. - Sorry? 229 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:37,440 Your attempts to impress. 230 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,280 Who am I supposed to be trying to impress? 231 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:41,920 Whoever's watching. 232 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,240 It won't do you much good, is all I'm saying. 233 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,120 CPS hates that sort of thing. 234 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,240 - You expect Dr Fallon to be charged? - No. 235 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,520 Then why mention the Crown Prosecution Service? 236 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,240 General career advice. 237 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,080 Oh, for me? Thank you very much. 238 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:01,880 But let's stick to the point. 239 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,600 To your question, you asked for a better description 240 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,280 of the force required to smash a skull in this way. 241 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:10,280 I'm just trying to find an appropriate frame of reference, 242 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,840 so your client knows what it took. 243 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:14,240 Have another go. 244 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:17,960 - Miss Baines... - Put it this way. 245 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:21,240 It's a fraction of the force you'd feel 246 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,080 if you had checked into a hotel room with my daughter. 247 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:36,560 You can charge him, just so you know. There's a consensus next-door. 248 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:39,320 They think you've got a good shot. 249 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,240 Decent grounds. 250 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:45,560 Especially as it's propped up by all the press interest. 251 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,600 The jury, they, erm... 252 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:50,320 they read the papers. 253 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,920 They're not meant to. We don't condone it. 254 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,680 But they do. 255 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,240 It's bluff. 256 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,560 We don't bluff. 257 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,040 They say they don't bluff, but that's just part of the bluff. 258 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,680 If we were going to bluff, Edgar, we'd have done it a long time ago. 259 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,960 - Dr Fallon... - Bottom line. 260 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:16,440 You either wriggle out from underneath your legal thumb here, 261 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,120 and tell us how you didn't do it, 262 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:20,320 or... 263 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,880 you keep schtum and get life. 264 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:27,160 "Life" being 14 years, by the way. 265 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,000 It's not life. Not really, not anymore. 266 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:34,880 Unless you're Nicky, obviously. 267 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:39,080 She's had her 14 years. 268 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:44,280 If someone killed my little girl... 269 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:47,000 I wouldn't rest. 270 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:49,800 Do you know what I mean? 271 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,320 And that's what they'll think is weird. 272 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:54,360 The jury, 273 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,080 the parents on the jury, 274 00:16:57,760 --> 00:16:59,720 when they see this tape. 275 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,520 That's the main camera up there. 276 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:06,720 At what my daughter would call the, erm... 277 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:10,840 the "selfie" angle. 278 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:15,200 But that one... 279 00:17:18,360 --> 00:17:20,440 That's the one that's gonna get you. 280 00:17:25,880 --> 00:17:28,400 That's the man they're going to see. 281 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,240 He's gonna. 282 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:36,880 He isn't. 283 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:39,640 He is. 284 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:46,520 How long left? 285 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:51,880 Forty-five minutes. 286 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:54,080 You don't have to say a word. 287 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:00,840 Shh, shh, shh, shh... 288 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,320 I'd rather people knew. 289 00:18:14,280 --> 00:18:16,040 That you're innocent? 290 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:18,360 Then tell us. 291 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:21,880 Tell us what happened. 292 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,560 To be clear, taking Nicky to netball games 293 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:37,840 did not cause problems in my marriage, OK? 294 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:38,920 Far from it. 295 00:18:39,120 --> 00:18:43,520 It was a means of avoiding the problems that were already there. 296 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,600 My marriage had run its course 297 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:52,320 and we had fallen, quite naturally, into ways of avoiding each other. 298 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:54,280 So I would work late, or I'd... 299 00:18:55,160 --> 00:18:57,600 you know, just spend the evening seeing to the garden. 300 00:18:57,800 --> 00:19:01,520 So Nicky's netball tournaments gave us an added excuse, 301 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:04,960 legitimised our desire to be apart at weekends... 302 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,840 I was happy to take her. It suited. 303 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:13,120 Let me tell you something about my wife. She booked the hotel rooms, not me. 304 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:14,680 Every time. 305 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:16,800 OK? 306 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:29,480 So there were three other parents on the tour... all of them mothers... 307 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,680 two of whom made passes at me... 308 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,000 one of them seriously. 309 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,440 The first I laughed off, the second... 310 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,400 uh, I considered, briefly, then declined. 311 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,680 The other girls on the tour did not have parents with them 312 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,280 as they were at boarding school together, so they were far more used to being away. 313 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:53,600 The only other man on the tour was Andrews, the coach... 314 00:19:55,280 --> 00:19:56,960 the man who killed Nicky. 315 00:19:58,200 --> 00:19:59,640 I'm certain of it. 316 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,320 I can no longer... I can't. 317 00:20:06,520 --> 00:20:10,320 I cannot just sit here saying nothing when it is... it's patently clear to me, 318 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,400 from everything you've been asking me, or even saying, 319 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,000 that it should be him sitting here instead of me. 320 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,680 It's impossible. 321 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,520 The day you dread, as a father, 322 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:27,560 is the day you discover someone has had sex... 323 00:20:29,120 --> 00:20:30,520 with your little girl. 324 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,760 OK, so... 325 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:39,680 be in no doubt, when that day comes early... years early... 326 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:41,000 years early... 327 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,600 let me tell you, that is a nightmare made real. 328 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,480 Were I to have killed anyone... 329 00:20:57,760 --> 00:21:02,200 And when we came back from breakfast on the Sunday morning, on the 28th, 330 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,360 Nicky told me that she had been seeing him. 331 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,280 - Andrews? - Andrews, yes. 332 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,520 Going to him, liaising with him... 333 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,640 Not even in his bed... Not even in his bed, for Christ's sake. 334 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,800 In the back of his foul, dog-stinking estate car. 335 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,560 I just pushed her in the hotel room, as hard as I could. 336 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:27,440 We fought. I swore. 337 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:29,800 I hit her. 338 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,920 I never hit her. I wouldn't. I wasn't brought up that way. 339 00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:35,040 You don't hit girls. Old fashioned. 340 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:38,440 But I did. 341 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,600 I pushed her across the room and she put her arm, her wrist, 342 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,760 reaching back as she went over, 343 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,320 through the glass coffee table as she fell. 344 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,760 So your colleague was right. That's how she hurt her wrist. 345 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:02,040 It was my fault, my temper. 346 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,720 And you were right too, about getting angry. I can. 347 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:10,840 I do. 348 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:14,520 I do. 349 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,880 I... I love Nicky, 350 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,680 and I could see that her wrist needed treating, 351 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:26,040 and, bad-tempered bastard though I may well be, I thought, 352 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,560 "Well, I can at least help you with that. I can patch you up." 353 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:34,840 I had my Doctor's bag. I brought it with me in case of injuries on tour. 354 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:36,200 You know, erm... 355 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,960 "Is there a doctor in the house?" That kind of thing. So... 356 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,320 Even though I knew... I knew... 357 00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,360 that all hell would break loose when I got her home. 358 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:51,760 But there was a second... 359 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:55,040 in the bathroom, 360 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,120 when I was applying the plaster and she was watching me treat her... 361 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,120 that everything seemed fine again. 362 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,280 Was calm. 363 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:08,920 I thought it would all be OK. 364 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,040 But then, erm... 365 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,400 as soon as it was done, she left the room. 366 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:21,840 Straight away, ran off to him. 367 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,360 Said she was going to tell her friends they were in love... 368 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:27,800 she and Andrews. 369 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,400 Of all the horrendous things to hear. 370 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,480 As soon as she was the right age, she said they were gonna... 371 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,280 broadcast it to the world, the pair of them. 372 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,640 She got that idea from him, you know. 373 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,200 They'd... They would "walk out together," I suppose... 374 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:50,800 as people used to say. 375 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,400 Sorry, I do... I talk like a man twice my age. 376 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,800 That's what she used to say. 377 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:03,520 Then? 378 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,920 Then, I did something I'll regret for the rest of my life. 379 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,040 Erm... 380 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,680 I went home without her. 381 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:34,040 Guilty. 382 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:35,680 Guilty. 383 00:24:36,360 --> 00:24:37,600 Innocent. 384 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,560 So you fought. She ran out of the room. 385 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,960 To see Andrews. 386 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,400 - Where was he? - In his room. 387 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:47,920 You're sure she went there? 388 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,200 I went there too. I followed. 389 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,600 - I thought you drove away. - I did both. 390 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:58,400 I knocked repeatedly on his door, but he wouldn't open up. 391 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,360 I'd have smashed it down. 392 00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:01,920 Well, then you're a fool. 393 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:04,720 Nicky had enough difficulty 394 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,520 befriending those boarding schoolgirls as it was. 395 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,680 Last thing she needed was Dad making a scene. 396 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,960 I called through the door. I said there had been an accident. 397 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,040 That Nicky put her arm through the table, that she needed to rest, 398 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,800 that she needed to let it bruise properly, let the body do its work. 399 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:30,480 And then Nicky opened the door, 400 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,160 only very slightly, and... 401 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:36,640 she told me to leave them alone. 402 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,800 After all, hadn't I caused enough trouble? 403 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:43,840 That was the last word she ever said to me. 404 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,280 Stupid... 405 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,320 It struck me then, actually standing outside that door... 406 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:55,440 he'd picked her to play on the team because of what happened between them, 407 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,560 not because of any sporting prowess. 408 00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,560 She was never much cop, bless her. 409 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,520 Yeah, her selection had been a pleasant surprise. 410 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,800 - But she was second highest scorer. - Yes, I thought that too. 411 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:11,480 Only two players on a netball team are allowed to score goals. 412 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,240 Huh. 413 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:18,640 When Andrews learned she was planning on... 414 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,680 telling people about their relationship, 415 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,880 knowing what that would mean for him personally and professionally... 416 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:29,960 he would have stopped her. 417 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,440 - Stopped her? - That's what I think. 418 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,440 - Killed her? - That's what I think. 419 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,000 In his hotel room? 420 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:39,960 Well, that... That I couldn't tell you. 421 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,240 Was it bruised, the arm? 422 00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:56,760 Yes. 423 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,240 There's your answer. There you go, Detective. 424 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,520 Your pathologist will tell you, dead bodies don't bruise. 425 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,920 That rather rules me out. 426 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,200 How do you arrive at that one? 427 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,160 She was fine at breakfast. I think the others will tell you that. 428 00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:15,240 It was only once we got back to the room, we fought, I left the hotel an hour later. 429 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,280 I think that's supported by your photographs, yes? 430 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,040 She can't have died in the hour 431 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,720 between breakfast and me leaving the hotel. 432 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,640 It's not enough time for the bruises to develop. 433 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:28,560 Does that make sense? 434 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,680 Jesus, I ought to have thought of that earlier. 435 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,760 That would have saved you a lot of time... 436 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:45,520 and me a lot of pain. 437 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,680 Shit. 438 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,760 Now they've got him talking, they can't shut him up. 439 00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:17,960 Not a helpful thing to say. Sorry. 440 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,000 Erm, I need a word with Tony. 441 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,520 I'd rather you let him get on with it, to be honest. 442 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,000 - It won't take two minutes. - Yeah, well, we've only got 15 as it is. 443 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:38,760 Why didn't you tell us this before? 444 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,000 - It only just occurred to me. - Any of it. 445 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,120 You talk of... wasting time, causing pain. 446 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,840 You could have saved yourself the pain by telling us all that from the start. 447 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,720 Well, like you said, this... all this, 448 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:58,360 you doing your job, my solicitor doing hers, 449 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,040 me following her advice, in here, all these... 450 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,120 This is how these conversations go. 451 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,120 Ms Baines says she knows what you're like. 452 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,240 Oh, yeah? What are we like? 453 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:11,080 That you'd try to manipulate my story. 454 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,480 - "Story"? - See? 455 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,480 Detectives on the inquiry visited your house 456 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:29,840 the day after your stepdaughter's death, 457 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,000 and your wife gave us... 458 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,000 a photo to share with the media. 459 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,480 And I looked at this photo and I thought... 460 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,400 "Who'd want to take the life of a young girl like that? 461 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,600 And then I thought, "I'd like to find out who." 462 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,800 I wasn't meant to be on this interview when it first came in. 463 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,040 I volunteered. 464 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,880 I wanted to have some influence, you see, 465 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,600 in my own small way. 466 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,200 Excuse me. 467 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,480 Look, I put Post-it notes inside. I know you don't have long. 468 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,520 OK. 469 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:14,840 You know what she's like. 470 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,360 She doesn't not rate you if that's what you think. 471 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,360 - She's just changing things up. - OK. 472 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:20,560 - OK? - Mm-hmm. 473 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,360 Come on, Tony. What are you playing at? 474 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:12,880 Leave it. 475 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,640 You filled up at the services on the way home. 476 00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,600 Hmm? Seventy-five quid? 477 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,040 - That's a lot to spend in a garage. - Not these days. Not for a full tank. 478 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,680 On an Audi S3? 479 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,120 Can't be more than 60, can it? Even if you were running on fumes. 480 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,360 Yet you spent 75, according to the receipt... 481 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,040 because you also had the car cleaned. 482 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,640 You had the car cleaned. 483 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,720 - I don't recall. - No, I'm telling you, not asking you. 484 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,080 Let me refresh your memory. 485 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:08,440 You had just found out that your 14-year-old stepdaughter 486 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,120 was having a sexual relationship with a man your own age 487 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,480 so, you thought... 488 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,040 "Ooh, I know, I'll leave them in a hotel room together, 489 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:19,200 go get a full valet done on the motor, take my mind off things." 490 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:25,240 Did they clean the boot? 491 00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:29,160 Of the car, sorry. Simple question. 492 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,080 Did they clean the boot of the car? 493 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,240 - They do do that, don't they? - Whenever I've had it done, yeah. 494 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,320 Nothing like having the rubber matting from the boot of your car pressure washed. 495 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,520 Take your mind off all that... abuse. 496 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,920 Would have meant taking your stuff out of the boot, of course. Your bags. 497 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,400 - I'm not sure I had a bag. - Of course you did. You're forgetting. 498 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,520 "Is there a doctor in the house?" and all that. 499 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,760 You said you had your bag. Said it rather proudly, in fact. 500 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,480 That's OK. That's OK. Everybody's tired. It's been a long day. 501 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,040 But don't worry. Nearly over now. 502 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:04,840 Three minutes, Tony. 503 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,040 See? Three minutes and then it's home time. 504 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,760 Look, we know you had your bag with you, because we have that bag in Forensics. 505 00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,600 It's leather, it's expensive. It's nice, I like it. I want one. 506 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,600 But the most interesting thing about that bag, Dr Fallon, 507 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:20,360 is that we found it on the back seat. 508 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:24,480 - It would have been in the boot. - Would have been, but wasn't. 509 00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,080 Why? 510 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:30,600 Shall I tell them, or will you? 511 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:33,880 Because... 512 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:37,640 because Nicky was in the boot. 513 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,280 That's why the roof is up in all those shots. 514 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,720 To make space for Nicky. That's why you needed the car cleaned. 515 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:46,200 How many times? Dead bodies do not bruise. 516 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,200 But she wasn't dead, was she? 517 00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:50,960 So, she was bruising, wasn't she? 518 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,120 No comment. 519 00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:16,000 You beat your daughter to within an inch of her life in your hotel room, 520 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,120 when she threatened to expose your sexual assault on her. 521 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,320 Your best bet of getting away with it, you decided, 522 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,040 was to frame the only other person 523 00:35:24,240 --> 00:35:26,600 who could conceivably have been sleeping with her. 524 00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:27,960 I say "sleeping"... 525 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,240 I mean raping. Yes? 526 00:35:31,720 --> 00:35:32,720 No comment. 527 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,440 - Plastering her arm was the alibi, yes? - No comment. 528 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,040 An alibi you held in reserve. It acknowledged the fight. 529 00:35:39,240 --> 00:35:41,400 And by extension, it explained the blood in the room, 530 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,600 the damage to the table, the blood on you and on your clothes. 531 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,480 You managed to get her to the car, barely breathing, 532 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,320 but breathing nonetheless, and you put her in the boot. 533 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:55,120 And as you drove south, her arm began to bruise, and the plaster began to set. 534 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,040 You turned off Junction 15, put a bag-for-life over her head, 535 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:00,960 and finished off the job. 536 00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,040 Please stop me if I'm getting any of this wrong, by the way. 537 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,600 Incidentally, did you put the bag over her head 538 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,880 to protect yourself from blood-splatter 539 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,640 or so you didn't have to look in your stepdaughter's face 540 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:16,840 as you were thumping it with your heel? 541 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,480 That's a disgusting fucking story. 542 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,720 Oh, it's disgusting, I agree, 543 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,360 but it's not a fucking story. 544 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,640 The most interesting piece of evidence 545 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,400 is highlighted by my colleague, DC Duffy. 546 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,040 You remember DC Duffy, bloke with the coffee? 547 00:36:36,240 --> 00:36:39,400 Sat here for several hours. Put a lot of work into this. 548 00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,040 Now, he asks here, 549 00:36:41,240 --> 00:36:44,440 and he's put it in nice big letters in case I couldn't find my specs: 550 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:48,520 "Why does one side of Nicky's plaster have faint little hexagons along it?" 551 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:54,560 There they are, look. Three of them, on the right. 552 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,440 Ever so faint. 553 00:36:57,240 --> 00:36:58,840 Is that better? 554 00:36:59,720 --> 00:37:01,200 What have we got, 45 seconds? 555 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,720 Any thoughts on that? No? Don't worry. 556 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,040 Duffy's done the hard work for us. "Go to page 32." Nice big letters. 557 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:11,920 There they are. Hexagons. 558 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,160 Once you've spotted them they're all you can see, aren't they? 559 00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,280 So, as Nicky was lying there in the boot of your car, 560 00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,040 alive and unwell, her arm busy bruising, 561 00:37:21,240 --> 00:37:25,520 the rubber matting was leaving an imprint on her still-setting plaster. 562 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:29,200 And on this Post-it, Duffy's put, 563 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,160 "Boot mat unique to Audi S3." 564 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,200 I like that. That is helpful. 565 00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:48,320 It's 6:30 p.m. 566 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:53,080 Edgar Fallon, we will be charging you with the rape and murder of Nicky Fallon. 567 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:57,760 You will be taken downstairs, where you will be read both charges in full, 568 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,680 then either remanded in custody or released on bail. 569 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,640 My money's on the former. 570 00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:33,840 Detective... 571 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,840 you might not thank me for saying this, but she's lucky. 572 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:39,880 - Who? - Your daughter. 573 00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,200 Chap like you as her father. 574 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,400 I don't have a daughter. 575 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,120 The Rose and Crown, apparently. 576 00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,040 - Paul Ottager's buying the first round. - Oh? 577 00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,960 - Says who? - Paul Ottager. 578 00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,360 It's my birthday, so... 579 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,280 Not that anyone else remembered. 580 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,320 - Oh, go on. - Fine, OK. 581 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,960 But Duffy doesn't buy a drink all night. 582 00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:24,600 He did well. 583 00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,520 He did, he did. You should tell him. 584 00:39:27,720 --> 00:39:29,000 I will. 585 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,240 That doesn't mean it was wrong to throw Paul in. 586 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,560 - No, I'm not saying that. - He shook things up. 587 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,880 Yeah, I know. I was there. 588 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:40,320 Right. 589 00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:42,120 - See you down there? - Alright. 590 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:43,320 Good. 591 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,560 - Hey. - See you down there. 592 00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:49,000 Yeah? 593 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,560 - The kitty. - Oh, right, no. 594 00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:53,600 There you go. 595 00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:55,920 Drinks on me, mainly. 596 00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,680 Do you want me to give it to her? 597 00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,960 Just 'cos he's back, doesn't mean they'll get back together... 598 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,960 or that you'll have less of a chance. 599 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,160 If a chance is what you're after. 600 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:17,880 I don't know what you're talking about. 601 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:23,080 Have you ever told her how you feel? 602 00:40:23,720 --> 00:40:25,240 You don't have to answer that. 603 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:31,320 It's just, it has got to beat keeping your mouth shut, hasn't it? 604 00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,480 Hasn't it? 605 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:37,800 No comment. 606 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,040 See you down there.